Public Meeting #2 – Meeting Summary

Round 1 Public Consultation Public Meeting #2
November 30, 2017, 6:30–8:30pm Meeting Summary

Public Meeting Overview

On November 30, 2017, the City of Toronto (City) hosted the second public meeting for the Eglinton East Light Rail Transit (LRT) project. This meeting was the second in a series of three public meetings that are part of the Phase 1 Consultation period for the study. The meeting was held at the St. Martin de Porres Catholic School, 230 Morningside Avenue, Toronto. The meeting structure was:

6:30–6:45pm               Arrival + Introductions
6:45–7:30pm               Presentation
7:30–7:45pm               Question & Answer Period – Clarification Focus
7:45–7:50pm               Overview of Market Stations
7:50–8:25pm               Market Stations Activity
8:25–8:30pm               Closing and Thank You


Approximately 40 people from the public attended this event. In addition, Councillor Paul Ainslee (Ward 43) and Hon Mitzie Hunter, MPP (Scarborough-Guildwood) also attended.

Introduction and Presentation

Dillon Consulting provided opening remarks and welcomed participants to the event. A presentation was given by the City Project Team outlining the project, the study context and process, the key issues/areas currently under study in Phase 1, the planning study expectations and the consultation activities for the project.

To request a copy of the presentation, please email us or call us at 416-338-2848.

Question and Answer Period

The discussion captured during the question and answer period is summarized below. Questions are noted with a “Q”, comments with a “C” and answers with “A”. Answers were provided by Mike Logan or Kristin Olson, unless otherwise indicated.

Q: Who can I talk to about expropriation? I have had trouble getting an answer from people at the City. I keep hearing the same comments and it sounds like the same scenario as 2009. What do I do in the meantime regarding my property and expropriation? No one ever answers me back.
A: At this time, the City does not have the details for which sites may be expropriated. We are trying to have as little impact as possible to properties along the corridor. We are happy to discuss your specific property with you after the Q&A in order to answer the questions you may have.

Q: I have a concern about where the funding will come from to implement the project, can more information regarding this be shared?
A: As part of the work we are currently doing and once we have the recommended concept, the project team will be reporting to Council with a business case that lays out cost estimates in early 2019. After the report is reviewed, staff will seek Council’s direction on how to proceed.

Q: When will construction start and end?
A: The Eglinton East LRT report will be submitted to City Council in early 2019 and will include the final project recommendations on how to proceed with construction. Detailed design would need to be completed prior to construction. It is anticipated that this work could begin in 2019 based on Council direction.

Q: I am concerned for businesses on both sides of Kingston Road. How will people and vehicles cross the street to access the businesses on either side of the corridor?
A: The Eglinton East LRT will typically run down the centre of the road, which as a starting point, assumes right-in-right-out for driveways. Connectivity throughout the corridor for all modes is an important part of the study and we will take your concerns into consideration as we work through these details.

Q: To reduce Morningside Avenue from four lanes down to two lanes will cause lots of traffic congestion and there will be lots of construction impacts. I am concerned for traffic along the corridor and on Falaise Road.
A: The 2009 Environmental Assessment (EA) approval did not remove lanes from Morningside.

Q: Regarding the recent bridge construction on Morningside Avenue – was it planned with the Eglinton East LRT in mind? Will this have to be redone?
A: Along Morningside the Eglinton East LRT is considered a separate structure as per 2009 EA approvals – the bridge reconstruction on Morningside Avenue currently considers this. The Eglinton East LRT construction would be separate from the bridge and not impact the construction that has recently occurred.

Q: The presentation we saw today included rough statistical estimates on traffic movements around Scarborough with the Eglinton East LRT – are those stats based on current patterns? What information or data is used to get those estimates?
A: These estimations are based on existing and future traffic projections using computer models that analyze how people move today and will move around the whole region. These models use population and employment projections and anticipate how people will move in the future – the models are estimates and are not perfect but they give us an idea about what to expect in the future.

Q: Will there still be buses operating on Kingston Road (i.e. buses into the Guild)?
A (provided by Scott Haskill): At this time, we have not come up with a bus routing plan related to the LRT route. However, we do not plan on having a parallel bus service running alongside the LRT during daytime operating hours. Overnight we will have a bus service operating in the corridor. Outside of the corridor itself, we do not expect to remove any bus services where there are buses operating today. All bus services are planned to connect with the Eglinton East LRT.

Q: How loud are these LRT vehicles? Does the three-car LRT make a big difference with respect to sound instead of the two-car LRT that was approved in 2009?
A: There will be a Transit Project Assessment Process that will take place in Phase 3 of the study where noise, vibrations and other impacts will be considered. Generally we do not anticipate a large difference between two and three car trains.

Q: I am concerned with residents from Durham driving to Scarborough and impact on local traffic – will the City be including commuter parking for Durham region drivers who then want to or could get on the LRT to go into the city?
A: City Council has not asked staff to look at commuter parking as part of this project. At this time, the City is looking at all options to best optimize the entire corridor and we may find that parking is a part of that.

Q: Will the City reduce road lanes on Kingston Road? I have observed that there is gridlock today along Kingston Road – with the potential of reductions, what will happen? When Highway 401 gets blocked, everyone diverts onto Kingston Road which causes congestion along the entire road. I am concerned about lane reductions and the impacts on residents that live in the area.
A: Yes, the approved 2009 EA had 2 through lanes removed (one in each direction) along Kingston Road in order to have the dedicated lanes for the LRT in the centre of the roadway. The traffic study that we are undertaking will assess traffic impacts along the corridor and identify strategies to manage this where needed.

C: We are behind. We need to provide transit options so people will choose transit.

Q: Will the study also identify how fast commuters can move around their communities using the LRT and transit? Will it be faster to move around Scarborough with the East Eglinton LRT?
A: We expect that the East Eglinton LRT will be slightly faster and more reliable than buses. Once full details and models are completed through this study, we can identify how to optimize commuter trips in the corridor including for the LRT. The East Eglinton LRT will not have to compete with other transit/traffic as it is in its own dedicated space which will allow it to operate quickly and not get impacted by traffic.

Q: Are there any ideas for integrating Durham Rapid Transit with the East Eglinton LRT so Durham commuters choose not to drive into the city from Durham? I have many concerns about traffic congestion and would like to know more information about operations.
A: We are looking at the locations where Durham transit connects with the LRT, in particular around the University of Toronto Scarborough Campus. Regional Express Rail is also a big part of this solution.

Q: What is the projected ridership for the East Eglinton LRT and how does that compare to Scarborough Subway Extension?
A: The East Eglinton LRT is anticipated to have a ridership of approximately 40,000 trips per day. The Scarborough Subway Extension is anticipated to have a ridership of more than 60,000 trips per day.

Q: Is there any funding for East Eglinton LRT?
A: As part of the work we are currently doing and once we have the recommended concept, the project team will be reporting to Council with a business case that lays out cost estimates in early 2019. After the report is reviewed, staff will seek Council’s direction on how to proceed. At this time, there are no sources of funding set aside to build the project as we need to provide Council with the funding specifications in a business case.

Breakout Session to Market Stations

Following the Q&A Dillon Consulting identified the Market Stations activity available in the room and encouraged participants explore them all. The Market Stations provided greater detail about the key issue areas along the corridor with staff available to answer questions. The Market Stations included:

  • Kennedy Station and Crosstown Integration
  • Eglinton and Kingston Road
  • Kingston – Lawrence – Morningside
  • University of Toronto Scarborough Campus (UTSC) Integration
  • Northern Extension – Connecting Malvern
  • Planning + Placemaking
  • Share Your Corridor Wish + Guildwood GO Connection

Closing and Thank You

Dillon Consulting thanked the public for coming out to attend the meeting and encouraged everyone to visit the website to continue the conversation online and contribute more ideas and comments.

The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 p.m.